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Post by skilesarmy on Nov 3, 2008 11:52:30 GMT -7
trade agreed to in principal...wow
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Post by The Squeeze! on Nov 3, 2008 13:14:18 GMT -7
Iversons stock always stays the same....but Billups scoring might go down a bit since DEN wants JR Smith to step into the 2 guard spot and light it up.
Kind of looks like a wash...except DET wins just on pure cap relief
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Post by Pacer Pride on Nov 3, 2008 13:30:25 GMT -7
Billups moving surprises me more than anything You do have to GIVE to GET...but this is not the SAME AI. that played in Philly.
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Post by fattykid2000 on Nov 3, 2008 13:55:15 GMT -7
This trade move Raps into top 3 consideration now... Chauncey was the heart and soul of that team.
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Post by fnamazin on Nov 3, 2008 14:01:00 GMT -7
Detroit has been a terrible offensive team for awhile so I wonder if Iverson gives them a bit of a boost there. Also Stucky is the future PG for Detroit so maybe this could also be a reason why they moved the younger Billups for the aging Iverson who I still believe has enough left in him to give them value in return for this year.
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Post by Pacer Pride on Nov 3, 2008 14:22:55 GMT -7
This trade move Raps into top 3 consideration now... Chauncey was the heart and soul of that team. Raps Top 3 now,possibly ...but one JO. hamstring/back injury away of seriously being f*cked over which WILL happen. He will not take this team past the East Finals. Bosh can't do it with JO.
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Post by anchorman on Nov 3, 2008 14:26:10 GMT -7
Detroit was never a terrible offensive team... they just always scored enough to win games, and when they're facing teams like the knicks they were fine with winning 95-80. This team was never terrible offensively.
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Post by fnamazin on Nov 3, 2008 14:54:42 GMT -7
Detroit was never a terrible offensive team... they just always scored enough to win games, and when they're facing teams like the knicks they were fine with winning 95-80. This team was never terrible offensively. Yeah I think calling there offense terrible was a little too harsh but what I really meant was they were always a defense first type team.
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Post by mweir145 on Nov 3, 2008 15:14:46 GMT -7
Anchorman is right. Detroit was a perfectly good offensive team. They've always had high percentages, they just don't shoot as often as some other teams.
I think this Iverson deal will hurt their defense and leadership, but we'll see I guess. I think Detroit mainly did it for the cap space next season, not because they thought they would be a better team (McDyess was their #2 big man, losing him is a big loss as well, make no mistake).
Denver becomes a better team, but I doubt they will be able to contend with the WC elite.
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Post by fnamazin on Nov 3, 2008 15:41:37 GMT -7
I think Detroit mainly did it for the cap space next season, not because they thought they would be a better team (McDyess was their #2 big man, losing him is a big loss as well, make no mistake). Yeah your probably right but still Stuckey had to of been on there minds as well here. "It remains to be seen how Rodney Stuckey is going to be impacted by the arrival of Allen Iverson in Detroit. It's quite possible that the Pistons traded Billups in order to free up the point guard job for Stuckey, but it's also possible that Iverson will play point guard and Stuckey will continue to come off the bench. Only coach Michael Curry knows the answer, but our guess is they are going to find a way to start Stuckey, which could mean Tayshaun Prince becomes the sixth man. Hang on to, or pick up, Stuckey until we see how this plays out." - Rotoworld
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Post by mweir145 on Nov 3, 2008 15:56:29 GMT -7
I picked up Stuckey in another league because of this trade.
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Post by fattykid2000 on Nov 3, 2008 16:08:29 GMT -7
Hopefully this doesn't hurt Rip's value. One of him or Prince could end up on the bench. I am thinking Rip takes a seat in this situation.. or gets dealt..
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Post by fattykid2000 on Nov 3, 2008 16:17:39 GMT -7
Well my mistake... This just came over the wire.. Prince odd man out?
The Pistons signed guard Richard Hamilton to a three-year, $34 million contract extension on Monday, according to ESPN's Chad Ford.
The first two years of the deal are guaranteed, while the third is partially guaranteed. Hamilton might sacrifice a few shots now that Allen Iverson is a Piston, and owners need to worry about the possible pairing of A.I. and Rodney Stuckey, which could eventually shift Rip to the bench. For now, revel in the job security and hope he gels with Iverson. Nov. 3 - 6:13 pm et Source: ESPN.com
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Post by nets on Nov 3, 2008 16:22:57 GMT -7
Well my mistake... This just came over the wire.. Prince odd man out? The Pistons signed guard Richard Hamilton to a three-year, $34 million contract extension on Monday, according to ESPN's Chad Ford.
The first two years of the deal are guaranteed, while the third is partially guaranteed. Hamilton might sacrifice a few shots now that Allen Iverson is a Piston, and owners need to worry about the possible pairing of A.I. and Rodney Stuckey, which could eventually shift Rip to the bench. For now, revel in the job security and hope he gels with Iverson. Nov. 3 - 6:13 pm et Source: ESPN.com I don't really see Stuckey benefiting a whole lot here this year. I expect AI to start at PG and Rip at SG. Seems to me like he'll have even less minutes now with Iverson ahead of him instead of Billups
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Post by fnamazin on Nov 3, 2008 16:33:41 GMT -7
Hopefully this doesn't hurt Rip's value. One of him or Prince could end up on the bench. Yeah I expected Prince to be the 6th man after this trade and Rip should start he's a better offensive talent.
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Post by Pacer Pride on Nov 3, 2008 17:32:04 GMT -7
Hopefully this doesn't hurt Rip's value. One of him or Prince could end up on the bench. It will be Rip. They can't go with a starting line of Sheed,Max,Rip,Iverson and Stuckey Insert Prince at SF. and Rip is one of the best sixth man in the league now ,but will take a hit with PT./starting probably.
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Post by Pacer Pride on Nov 3, 2008 17:33:44 GMT -7
Hopefully this doesn't hurt Rip's value. One of him or Prince could end up on the bench. I am thinking Rip takes a seat in this situation.. or gets dealt.. I agree Fattie ,but Rip just signed a 3 yr. extension today I believe To trade Prince would be just DUMB!
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Post by fnamazin on Nov 7, 2008 20:42:13 GMT -7
I guess the McDyess factor in this trade didn't make a difference after all as Denver bought out his contract and he's probably going to just resign with the Pistons again. I think the Pistons ended up with the steal here.
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Post by Pacer Pride on Nov 7, 2008 23:17:02 GMT -7
This trade move Raps into top 3 consideration now... Chauncey was the heart and soul of that team. Ahead of Atl. I think not
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Post by fattykid2000 on Nov 7, 2008 23:48:36 GMT -7
It amazes me how many stupid statements you can make in one day.. Any team that has there backcourt shoot 4 for 20 from the field is going to lose.. Atlanta is a good team with JJ and Bibby complemanting him.. I suspect it will be Boston, Orlando, Detroit, Atlanta, Clevland, and Toronto competing for the top 3 teams in the East. How bout your Pacers.. They look real great. Would you care to make a bet on who finsihes higher in the standings?
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Post by Pacer Pride on Nov 8, 2008 2:38:16 GMT -7
It amazes me how many stupid statements you can make in one day.. Any team that has there backcourt shoot 4 for 20 from the field is going to lose.. Atlanta is a good team with JJ and Bibby complemanting him.. I suspect it will be Boston, Orlando, Detroit, Atlanta, Clevland, and Toronto competing for the top 3 teams in the East. How bout your Pacers.. They look real great. Would you care to make a bet on who finsihes higher in the standings? TORONTO IS SOFT! Bosh the only one with any heart. Case closed. The Pacers are a surprisngly good club so far this season (look at their first five opponents of the season and scores you douche'). They beat the defending champs by like 20 and ran them out of the building. I have not been fortunate enough to watch the Pacers yet. However; I have watched a lot of soft perimeter defense by the Raps in their games,that is all
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Post by mweir145 on Nov 8, 2008 8:46:28 GMT -7
Actually, Bosh's biggest weakness has always been that he's soft in big games agaisnt good defenders.
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Post by fattykid2000 on Nov 8, 2008 15:30:29 GMT -7
Actually, Bosh's biggest weakness has always been that he's soft in big games agaisnt good defenders. Exactly.. I don't know if you have noticed Pride but the whole Eastern Conference is soft.. If the Raps played in the west they would be lucky to win more then 40 games..
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Post by fnamazin on Nov 8, 2008 15:36:05 GMT -7
Actually, Bosh's biggest weakness has always been that he's soft in big games agaisnt good defenders. Exactly.. I don't know if you have noticed Pride but the whole Eastern Conference is soft.. If the Raps played in the west they would be lucky to win more then 40 games.. I've always found it interesting that the East is considered soft but when they face the best from the west in the finals sometimes they come out on top. I guess the playoffs tend to bring a whole different kind of east out of teams.
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Post by fattykid2000 on Nov 8, 2008 16:53:42 GMT -7
Exactly.. I don't know if you have noticed Pride but the whole Eastern Conference is soft.. If the Raps played in the west they would be lucky to win more then 40 games.. I've always found it interesting that the East is considered soft but when they face the best from the west in the finals sometimes they come out on top. I guess the playoffs tend to bring a whole different kind of east out of teams. Just throwing this out there. but when the west play each other during the playoffs. they kill e/o.. No energy left for the finals
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Post by kramedawgz22 on Nov 8, 2008 18:08:30 GMT -7
I've always found it interesting that the East is considered soft but when they face the best from the west in the finals sometimes they come out on top. I guess the playoffs tend to bring a whole different kind of east out of teams. Just throwing this out there. but when the west play each other during the playoffs. they kill e/o.. No energy left for the finals Not necessarily. The eastern conference has only been considered soft fairly recently (figure last 5-10 years or so), just by the coincidence of a lot of big men going to high profile western conference teams. So the style of play in the East changed to a faster kind of small ball. Teams that have adopted that in the west (ie the suns for several years) have had a lot of success against the West, so that probably explains why Eastern conference teams have won in the finals sometimes, despite being considered 'soft'
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Post by Pacer Pride on Nov 8, 2008 22:46:40 GMT -7
Actually, Bosh's biggest weakness has always been that he's soft in big games agaisnt good defenders. I believe Bosh has that IT factor. The IT factor to battle REAL HARD, and win a couple championships...probably not, but all the power to him.
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Post by mweir145 on Nov 10, 2008 23:15:13 GMT -7
Actually, Bosh's biggest weakness has always been that he's soft in big games agaisnt good defenders. 9 points for Bosh tonight agaisnt KG and the Celtics.
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Post by Pacer Pride on Nov 11, 2008 16:13:24 GMT -7
Actually, Bosh's biggest weakness has always been that he's soft in big games agaisnt good defenders. 9 points for Bosh tonight agaisnt KG and the Celtics. KG bitch talked Calderon then D'ed up on him,loved it I wonder what he said Calderon was pissed,maybe about Spain and the Olympics
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