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Oct 12, 2005 6:23:57 GMT -7
Post by scottysarmy on Oct 12, 2005 6:23:57 GMT -7
Looks like ill be 1-0 to start the season......Nets has no chance without Amare.
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Oct 12, 2005 10:13:03 GMT -7
Post by nets on Oct 12, 2005 10:13:03 GMT -7
Looks like ill be 1-0 to start the season......Nets has no chance without Amare. Don't worry, you'll still lose
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Oct 13, 2005 16:39:31 GMT -7
Post by The Squeeze! on Oct 13, 2005 16:39:31 GMT -7
without Amare this year Marion will not be as good either. ;D
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Oct 13, 2005 16:43:24 GMT -7
Post by mweir145 on Oct 13, 2005 16:43:24 GMT -7
without Amare this year Marion will not be as good either. ;D Why would you say that? He can only increase in value by having Amare out... Marion basically averages 11 boards with Amare there, so imagine what he will do without him.
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Oct 13, 2005 16:46:19 GMT -7
Post by thefranchise on Oct 13, 2005 16:46:19 GMT -7
without Amare this year Marion will not be as good either. ;D Why would you say that? He can only increase in value by having Amare out... Marion basically averages 11 boards with Amare there, so imagine what he will do without him. Well you can see that when Amare was either not there, or not a force. Marion only averaged 9.5.
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Oct 13, 2005 16:49:20 GMT -7
Post by mweir145 on Oct 13, 2005 16:49:20 GMT -7
Why would you say that? He can only increase in value by having Amare out... Marion basically averages 11 boards with Amare there, so imagine what he will do without him. Well you can see that when Amare was either not there, or not a force. Marion only averaged 9.5. 9.5? Good, he'll improve on that this year.
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Oct 13, 2005 18:31:58 GMT -7
Post by thefranchise on Oct 13, 2005 18:31:58 GMT -7
Well you can see that when Amare was either not there, or not a force. Marion only averaged 9.5. 9.5? Good, he'll improve on that this year. Ya he prolly will, but dont expect numbers to increase on last years, I actually think now that hes playing PF his rebs will hover around the same so 10.5/11. Points will still prolly be around 18-20. I actually look for around the same year from Marion, but id drop his steals and 3's down a little. Hes definately still Top 3. But no KG.
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Oct 13, 2005 18:33:02 GMT -7
Post by thefranchise on Oct 13, 2005 18:33:02 GMT -7
also i dont wanna go post in your block, but is james jones starting? I had a feeling it was Jim Jackson, prolly still workin it out in preseason. And for everyones sigs i wont be able to get em done till next week as i am going to new jersey again for the weekend.
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Oct 13, 2005 20:15:06 GMT -7
Post by fnamazin on Oct 13, 2005 20:15:06 GMT -7
I think it should be Jackson cuz when they traded both Q-Rich and Joe Johnson away it hurt their 3 point threat and the only guy that could make some of it up is Jim Jackson plus hes a great defender...
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Oct 13, 2005 20:25:18 GMT -7
Post by fnamazin on Oct 13, 2005 20:25:18 GMT -7
Hey isnt James Jones the guy who played for Indiana last season cuz if so then he might be a good starter for the Suns to go with cuz the guy looked good last season while the Pacers were hurting for active players with Reggie, JO, stephan Jackson, and Artest all out...
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Oct 13, 2005 21:16:41 GMT -7
Post by mweir145 on Oct 13, 2005 21:16:41 GMT -7
9.5? Good, he'll improve on that this year. Ya he prolly will, but dont expect numbers to increase on last years, I actually think now that hes playing PF his rebs will hover around the same so 10.5/11. Points will still prolly be around 18-20. I actually look for around the same year from Marion, but id drop his steals and 3's down a little. Hes definately still Top 3. But no KG. Without Amare there, his numbers will increase ten-fold in all categories, he will basically be the go-to-guy on that team now. Of course, he's no KG, when did I ever say he was?
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Oct 13, 2005 21:20:31 GMT -7
Post by mweir145 on Oct 13, 2005 21:20:31 GMT -7
Jim Jackson will be playing off the bench, while Jones will be starting. D'Antoni has already said that Marion would be the starting PF, with Jones starting at SF.
And yes, James Jones is the guy who was on the Pacers last year.
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Oct 13, 2005 21:29:46 GMT -7
Post by thefranchise on Oct 13, 2005 21:29:46 GMT -7
Ya he prolly will, but dont expect numbers to increase on last years, I actually think now that hes playing PF his rebs will hover around the same so 10.5/11. Points will still prolly be around 18-20. I actually look for around the same year from Marion, but id drop his steals and 3's down a little. Hes definately still Top 3. But no KG. Without Amare there, his numbers will increase ten-fold in all categories, he will basically be the go-to-guy on that team now. Of course, he's no KG, when did I ever say he was? I was just adding the KG thing in there cuz i have him. And Marion will have pretty much exactly the same numbers as last year. Ten-fold? I think not.
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Oct 13, 2005 21:59:05 GMT -7
Post by mweir145 on Oct 13, 2005 21:59:05 GMT -7
Without Amare there, his numbers will increase ten-fold in all categories, he will basically be the go-to-guy on that team now. Of course, he's no KG, when did I ever say he was? I was just adding the KG thing in there cuz i have him. And Marion will have pretty much exactly the same numbers as last year. Ten-fold? I think not. First of all, Shawn Marion was the best all-around fantasy player in basketball last year. If you don't believe me you can go check yourself. He was #1 in fantasy last year thanks to everything he can bring to a team. And please remember, this was all with Amare scoring 25+ points a night. Second of all, what makes you think Marion won't improve his numbers? He will have more rebounds (playing PF), and his scoring will go up because he will be the go-to-guy.
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Oct 13, 2005 22:51:24 GMT -7
Post by thefranchise on Oct 13, 2005 22:51:24 GMT -7
I was just adding the KG thing in there cuz i have him. And Marion will have pretty much exactly the same numbers as last year. Ten-fold? I think not. First of all, Shawn Marion was the best all-around fantasy player in basketball last year. If you don't believe me you can go check yourself. He was #1 in fantasy last year thanks to everything he can bring to a team. And please remember, this was all with Amare scoring 25+ points a night. Second of all, what makes you think Marion won't improve his numbers? He will have more rebounds (playing PF), and his scoring will go up because he will be the go-to-guy. I know he was the #1 guy, because he does get everything. But he has been PF a lot last year, and the go to guy before Amare came, i cant see how hes gonna improve on 20 pts 11 boards per night. Those are what i expect him to be. Are you expecting 30 15?
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Oct 13, 2005 22:52:59 GMT -7
Post by Pacer Pride on Oct 13, 2005 22:52:59 GMT -7
Two things:
-Yes I will confirm it is James Jones of formerly Indiana. He should start if they want to keep the up tempo style of play.They went out and made a bold move to sign him so why wouldn't he start?He's better threat from outside to an aging J.Jackson I'd say.Pacers could afford to lose him but I will always appreciate what he did for us last year in times of need as well as others like Cro.I hope he does well with his new club.
-Marion 3's (not as many wide open looks without Q and Joe) and steals will go down.I agree.
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Oct 14, 2005 17:41:42 GMT -7
Post by mweir145 on Oct 14, 2005 17:41:42 GMT -7
First of all, Shawn Marion was the best all-around fantasy player in basketball last year. If you don't believe me you can go check yourself. He was #1 in fantasy last year thanks to everything he can bring to a team. And please remember, this was all with Amare scoring 25+ points a night. Second of all, what makes you think Marion won't improve his numbers? He will have more rebounds (playing PF), and his scoring will go up because he will be the go-to-guy. I know he was the #1 guy, because he does get everything. But he has been PF a lot last year, and the go to guy before Amare came, i cant see how hes gonna improve on 20 pts 11 boards per night. Those are what i expect him to be. Are you expecting 30 15? First of all, why did you originally say he averaged 9.5 rebounds a game last year? Or did you mean when Amare was there? Second of all, Amare stole about 9 rebounds a game from him last year, so yes I do expect the rebound numbers to go up. As for points, he will be the go-to-guy for the majority of the year, and the last time he was the go-to-guy on Phoenix he averaged 21.2. However, that was without Steve Nash, so I would also expect the scoring to go up. 30 and 15? No, I'm more realistic. How about 25 and 12?
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Oct 14, 2005 17:43:18 GMT -7
Post by mweir145 on Oct 14, 2005 17:43:18 GMT -7
-Marion 3's (not as many wide open looks without Q and Joe) and steals will go down.I agree. Have you ever heard of Raja Bell? He's a great 3-point shooter. As for steals, why would they go down?
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Oct 14, 2005 18:56:53 GMT -7
Post by Pacer Pride on Oct 14, 2005 18:56:53 GMT -7
The steals go down because you don't have as many athlete's on the floor anymore with trades and injury to Amere.His energy will be used in other area's and it takes energy to get steals. Raja Bell?Better Reputation then Joe Johnson/Q No ,that means he will be left open ,not the other way around.
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Oct 14, 2005 19:39:02 GMT -7
Post by mweir145 on Oct 14, 2005 19:39:02 GMT -7
The steals go down because you don't have as many athlete's on the floor anymore with trades and injury to Amere.His energy will be used in other area's and it takes energy to get steals. Raja Bell?Better Reputation then Joe Johnson/Q No ,that means he will be left open ,not the other way around. I'm still not sure how the # of athletes makes a difference in how many steals you get... How exactly is Marion going to lose energy? He's a basketball player, he's paid to be in shape. As for Raja Bell, well he's a better 3 point shooter than Q Rich, so I'm ready to gurantee that after a few games, teams will start to cover him after they see what he can do.
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Oct 14, 2005 21:00:04 GMT -7
Post by Pacer Pride on Oct 14, 2005 21:00:04 GMT -7
Game,you can only give so much energy before the tank is empty or until you hit the wall.Obviously you do not play much sports Raja bell over Q? I'll take Q.
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Oct 14, 2005 21:25:51 GMT -7
Post by mweir145 on Oct 14, 2005 21:25:51 GMT -7
Game,you can only give so much energy before the tank is empty or until you hit the wall.Obviously you do not play much sports Raja bell over Q? I'll take Q. So Marion is going to lose steals this year because he is going to "hit the wall" physically? And this is because Q Rich and Joe Johnson won't be there? How exactly can you explain his 2002 season where had a career high in steals (it still is his career high), but Q Rich and Steve Nash weren't even there. Joe Johnson was only a softmore who averaged 8 points a game that year, and he didn't bring much in the way of steals. That was also Amare's rookie season, and he doesn't get many steals either. And I'm not sure how you can compare Shawn Marion's situation to me or you. These guys train every day so they can compete in games, and not get tired over the duration of them. They are in amazing shape, it is what they are paid to do. Sure, I hit "the wall" sometimes, but I'm not getting paid to play sports, and I don't train constantly every day in order to be a better athlete. As for Q Rich, the only reason you think he is a better 3 point shooter is because he has "rep." I'm not sure the "rep" for jacking up 8 threes a game, and MISSING 2/3 of them is entirely good. Bell has a much better % than Q Rich from the 3 point line, and with him taking the spot of Q this year, he will obviously be shooting a lot more from there.
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Oct 14, 2005 22:14:07 GMT -7
Post by Pacer Pride on Oct 14, 2005 22:14:07 GMT -7
Good points Game,but I did not know Marion's name was Superman as well I just do not see him and Nash succeeding like last yr. The help is gone and the Superstar is out.
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Oct 14, 2005 23:47:11 GMT -7
Post by mweir145 on Oct 14, 2005 23:47:11 GMT -7
Good points Game,but I did not know Marion's name was Superman as well I just do not see him and Nash succeeding like last yr. The help is gone and the Superstar is out. Well who else is going to score on that team?
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Oct 16, 2005 13:47:26 GMT -7
Post by Pacer Pride on Oct 16, 2005 13:47:26 GMT -7
Maccabi 105, Raptors 103 October 16, 2005 TORONTO (AP) -- The Raptors became the first NBA team to lose to Maccabi Tel Aviv in 27 years when Anthony Parker's jumper with 0.8 seconds left lifted the Israeli club over Toronto 105-103 on Sunday. Parker, who played in the NBA for Philadelphia and Orlando, had 24 points. Nikola Vujcic added 21 points and 10 rebounds for Maccabi, Israel's premier basketball team. Chris Bosh had 27 points and 12 rebounds in 45 minutes, and Jalen Rose had 18 points in 41 minutes for Toronto. Maccabi hadn't beaten an NBA team since 1978 when they knocked of the then-champion Washington Bullets. They had lost nine straight before holding off the Raptors, who played their starters most of the way. Maccabi's Yaniv Green blocked Rose's layup attempt and Mike James' jumper before Will Solomon gave Tel Aviv a 95-93 lead with a 3-pointer -- their first lead since the first quarter. James' driving layup tied it at 103 with 19 seconds left. But Parker -- isolated with Morris Peterson guarding him-- made a jumper with a hand in his face to give Maccabi the lead. Peterson missed a long 3-point attempt at the buzzer. Many of the 17,281 in attendance were fans of Maccabi. The consular general for Israel in Toronto slapped hands and joined the team in the celebration as NBA commissioner David Stern hurriedly walked off the court. ;D
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Oct 16, 2005 14:33:00 GMT -7
Post by mweir145 on Oct 16, 2005 14:33:00 GMT -7
What exactly does that have to do with Shawn Marion and the Phoenix Suns?
It really isn't a secret that the Toronto Raptors are a terrible team.
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Oct 17, 2005 22:30:37 GMT -7
Post by Pacer Pride on Oct 17, 2005 22:30:37 GMT -7
Nothing,just thought it was an interesting post in here
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Oct 26, 2005 22:24:50 GMT -7
Post by Pacer Pride on Oct 26, 2005 22:24:50 GMT -7
Speaking of something interesting,look at Frankenstein go as MaZe would say.He might be stealing Bonner's minutes now,watch out While on the other hand,Cro may start at PF./C. because of his strong play to the pre-season with Foster on the sidelines to start the yr. with injury most likely.
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Oct 26, 2005 22:36:54 GMT -7
Post by Pacer Pride on Oct 26, 2005 22:36:54 GMT -7
Proof to back it up Going back to Austin Austin Croshere has been the subject of trade rumors throughout his career. Last summer, he was a candidate to be released under the NBA's amnesty clause. They always seem to need him, however. Croshere, who scored a team-high 16 points Tuesday, will likely be a starter when the regular season opens. Starting center Foster will be out with an injured Achilles tendon. Backups Scot Pollard and David Harrison also are nursing injuries and are questionable for the start of the regular season, which means Jermaine O'Neal will slide into the middle. The most likely scenario is that the Pacers will go with the lineup they used Tuesday, with O'Neal at center, Croshere and Artest at forward, and Stephen Jackson and Tinsley at guard. "He's a valuable player," Pacers coach Rick Carlisle said of Croshere. "He's a very good NBA player with some unusual abilities. And he's one of the leaders of our team."
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Oct 27, 2005 12:58:00 GMT -7
Post by mweir145 on Oct 27, 2005 12:58:00 GMT -7
How exactly are the Pacers going to be good with Croshere starting at PF?
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