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Post by fnamazin on Oct 22, 2006 0:14:31 GMT -7
I really don't know a whole lot about basketball rooks coming into the season since I don't follow college basketball at all so I usually have to do research on them before I draft every year and I had a huge amount of respect for Paul after everything I read about him last year so I took him fairly high and it paid off in the end but I really didn't do much research this season so I just went on hear say and from what I had heard Morrison was going to be one hell of a player in the NBA and was definitely going to be worth taking around the same round I took Paul last season but after reading many articles since I'm not so sure I would want to take him at all...
Ive heard that Morrison is a scorer and a scorer only who can shoot from 3pt land but would only maybe get you 1 to 2 per game and at the most in his rookie year maybe get you 14.0 ppg which you can easily find on the waiver wire...
He plays no defense hes not the greatest rebounder and hes not the best passer either so hes pretty much just a back up on any fantasy team if you need a little points and 3 pointers...
What do you guys think?
Will he live up to the hype or is he going to be a bust?
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Post by mweir145 on Oct 22, 2006 0:35:32 GMT -7
If you're asking whether Adam Morrison will ever have the fantasy or super star impact that Chris Paul is going to have, well the answer is no. That said, I believe Morrison can be a very good basketball player in this league by the time he reaches his potential. I see him being a 20 point scorer eventually, but he'll never get huge boards, assists, or 3's to go along with that. As for this year, well I see him possibly scoring 15 points a game or so, but I doubt he'll hit many 3's. He definitely shouldn't be taken where Chris Paul was last year. The reason he wasn't a consensus #1 was because of his lack of potential for more, so basically what you saw last year in college was what you were going to get (the Raptors took Bargnani because they saw huge potential in him). It's possible that Morrison could be a great scorer in this league, but it has yet to be seen if his scoring game can translate to the NBA. There's one thing for sure about him though, and that's the fact he's got a lot of heart and intensity, and will always try to be the best player he can be. I'm sure you saw that if you were watching the game where Gonzaga was eliminated last year (did you see it, Maze?).
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Post by fnamazin on Oct 22, 2006 0:48:18 GMT -7
If you're asking whether Adam Morrison will ever have the fantasy or super star impact that Chris Paul is going to have, well the answer is no. That said, I believe Morrison can be a very good basketball player in this league by the time he reaches his potential. I see him being a 20 point scorer eventually, but he'll never get huge boards, assists, or 3's to go along with that. As for this year, well I see him possibly scoring 15 points a game or so, but I doubt he'll hit many 3's. He definitely shouldn't be taken where Chris Paul was last year. The reason he wasn't a consensus #1 was because of his lack of potential for more, so basically what you saw last year in college was what you were going to get (the Raptors took Bargnani because they saw huge potential in him). It's possible that Morrison could be a great scorer in this league, but it has yet to be seen if his scoring game can translate to the NBA. There's one thing for sure about him though, and that's the fact he's got a lot of heart and intensity, and will always try to be the best player he can be. I'm sure you saw that if you were watching the game where Gonzaga was eliminated last year (did you see it, Maze?). No like I said I don't follow college basketball at all so I know nothing about any of the rooks this season other then what Ive read about them and the problem is that he will be a scorer but he doesn't rebound, play D, or pass well so his only real value is the scoring so does this make him a fantasy bust or not? Also would you consider keeping him?
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Post by mweir145 on Oct 22, 2006 0:55:08 GMT -7
If you're asking whether Adam Morrison will ever have the fantasy or super star impact that Chris Paul is going to have, well the answer is no. That said, I believe Morrison can be a very good basketball player in this league by the time he reaches his potential. I see him being a 20 point scorer eventually, but he'll never get huge boards, assists, or 3's to go along with that. As for this year, well I see him possibly scoring 15 points a game or so, but I doubt he'll hit many 3's. He definitely shouldn't be taken where Chris Paul was last year. The reason he wasn't a consensus #1 was because of his lack of potential for more, so basically what you saw last year in college was what you were going to get (the Raptors took Bargnani because they saw huge potential in him). It's possible that Morrison could be a great scorer in this league, but it has yet to be seen if his scoring game can translate to the NBA. There's one thing for sure about him though, and that's the fact he's got a lot of heart and intensity, and will always try to be the best player he can be. I'm sure you saw that if you were watching the game where Gonzaga was eliminated last year (did you see it, Maze?). No like I said I don't follow college basketball at all so I know nothing about any of the rooks this season other then what Ive read about them and the problem is that he will be a scorer but he doesn't rebound, play D, or pass well so his only real value is the scoring so does this make him a fantasy bust or not? Also would you consider keeping him? He won't be a fantasy bust unless your expectations of him are way higher than what they should be. And keeping him? In a league like ours with 3-4 of them? Definitely not. There are far more valuable players that should be kept. And are you saying you don't even watch March Madness? Because that's basically the only time I watch other than a few games on TV during the regular season.
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Post by fnamazin on Oct 22, 2006 1:07:07 GMT -7
No like I said I don't follow college basketball at all so I know nothing about any of the rooks this season other then what Ive read about them and the problem is that he will be a scorer but he doesn't rebound, play D, or pass well so his only real value is the scoring so does this make him a fantasy bust or not? Also would you consider keeping him? He won't be a fantasy bust unless your expectations of him are way higher than what they should be. And keeping him? In a league like ours with 3-4 of them? Definitely not. There are far more valuable players that should be kept. And are you saying you don't even watch March Madness? Because that's basically the only time I watch other than a few games on TV during the regular season. No it doesn't interest me at all but all my friends watch that stuff and they're always talking about March Madness but I just sit there clueless as to what they're talking about... As for my expectations for Morrison I really don't have any at all like I said I went on others opinions from what I heard he had done at the college level but when I did my own research on him I found that they were possibly overrating him a bit too much and there is no telling whether his college game will even translate to the NBA level and if he cant get the big points that some think he might then he would pretty much just be another guy on the waiver wire collecting dust...
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Post by fnamazin on Oct 22, 2006 1:12:05 GMT -7
If you're asking whether Adam Morrison will ever have the fantasy or super star impact that Chris Paul is going to have, well the answer is no. No I definitely wasn't asking that at all I was just saying the way people had been talking about him they made it seem as if he was going to be a super star player pretty quick at the NBA level like Paul proved in only his rookie year... To come into this season and think that any rookie is going to be another Chris Paul type impact player would be foolish as he is a rare find...
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Post by thefranchise on Oct 22, 2006 9:05:43 GMT -7
Chris Paul is a freak of nature. A guy that comes into the NBA so ready and dominates like that his first year is definately a rare find. Someone that comes to mind that did this is Elton Brand (Not Troy Murphy). Sorry i just had to throw that in.
Anyway, Morrison is a good player and has great heart and work ethic. Right now hell probably get a lot of shooting opportunities and he could score 15 ppg this year, but his college years have shown he doesnt really do that much else. (His stats are also misleading because he played a lot against terrible teams in the easiest division of all the "well known" teams".) Maybe Charlotte can change him, there is potential for that because of his work ethic, and who better a mentor than Michael Jordan. Still i feel that there are other players in the draft who have easily more fantasy potential.
This draft class was terrible and noone should have been taken where Paul was. This is a draft class were gonna be looking back at for its depth because of the "good" players it will produce throughout both rounds, but you wont find any Lebrons, Dwights, Wades, Yao's, Bosh's etc.
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Post by bobboburns on Oct 22, 2006 13:23:48 GMT -7
I feel like adam morrison will be a richard hamilton type player... his body looks like that of Rip... He will eventually put up 20 points a game but wont have outstanding rebounds or assits...this is just my opinion... i would like to ask some people about what they think JJ reddick will be like in a couple of years, or even this year.... i mean the guy did have the most points ever in college basketball which is an amazing feat thinking about all the superstars coming out of four year colleges...
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Post by thefranchise on Oct 22, 2006 13:32:41 GMT -7
I feel like adam morrison will be a richard hamilton type player... his body looks like that of Rip... He will eventually put up 20 points a game but wont have outstanding rebounds or assits...this is just my opinion... i would like to ask some people about what they think JJ reddick will be like in a couple of years, or even this year.... i mean the guy did have the most points ever in college basketball which is an amazing feat thinking about all the superstars coming out of four year colleges... Maybe hell evolve into a great point scorer, but for the first few years hell just be a 3 PT specialist.
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Post by Pacer Pride on Oct 22, 2006 17:24:33 GMT -7
I can't believe MAZE does not watch March Madness The guy is a sports fein and does not watch the best tourny going?!?!? It is big in Canada,eh' Lamer Game made good points on Morrison although I disagree on low 3 pt. #'s.Maybe this season adjusting to longer distance but in the future he will be solid in that catergory ;D O.C. hates Morrison's game but admits he can make a difference on the court.I will admit ,my expectations would be to high on him for my fantasy team because I expect a lot out of him watching a ton of his College games(pre season/reg season & tourny).He could be like another M.Redd or RIP Hamilton.You can't have a bunch of those guys on your fantasy teams or they will kill you in certain catergories.Having all of those guys on a team...thats another story Franchise East Coast Bias on weakest division in College basketball.He obviously does not know a thing about S.D. ST. ,S.F.,Pepperdine,ST. Mary's ,Santa Clara (Nash's former Alma Mader).It is a good division if you watch the games but your in bed by that time
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Post by thefranchise on Oct 22, 2006 19:38:04 GMT -7
Franchise East Coast Bias on weakest division in College basketball.He obviously does not know a thing about S.D. ST. ,S.F.,Pepperdine,ST. Mary's ,Santa Clara (Nash's former Alma Mader).It is a good division if you watch the games but your in bed by that time Its a good division because you watch the games? Compare it to the ACC or the Big East. Pacers your just freakin stupid.
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Post by Pacer Pride on Oct 22, 2006 21:22:44 GMT -7
Franchise East Coast Bias on weakest division in College basketball.He obviously does not know a thing about S.D. ST. ,S.F.,Pepperdine,ST. Mary's ,Santa Clara (Nash's former Alma Mader).It is a good division if you watch the games but your in bed by that time Its a good division because you watch the games? Compare it to the ACC or the Big East. Pacers your just freakin stupid. Compare it to some dickwad East conferences that are highly overated foo'. Pac 10 is comparible to the ones you mentioned.Arizona eh' Maze
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Post by mweir145 on Oct 22, 2006 21:51:47 GMT -7
I feel like adam morrison will be a richard hamilton type player... his body looks like that of Rip... He will eventually put up 20 points a game but wont have outstanding rebounds or assits...this is just my opinion... i would like to ask some people about what they think JJ reddick will be like in a couple of years, or even this year.... i mean the guy did have the most points ever in college basketball which is an amazing feat thinking about all the superstars coming out of four year colleges... Maybe hell evolve into a great point scorer, but for the first few years hell just be a 3 PT specialist. Nah, JJ Reddick doesn't have the game to be a point scorer in this league. He's no slasher like Rip either. He'll be a 3 point specialist.
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Post by mweir145 on Oct 22, 2006 21:55:09 GMT -7
Franchise East Coast Bias on weakest division in College basketball.He obviously does not know a thing about S.D. ST. ,S.F.,Pepperdine,ST. Mary's ,Santa Clara (Nash's former Alma Mader).It is a good division if you watch the games but your in bed by that time Its a good division because you watch the games? Compare it to the ACC or the Big East. Pacers your just freakin stupid. The West Coast league (where Gonzaga plays) has been one of the weakest leagues for the past few years. Outside of the Zags, they didn't even have another team make the tournament (I don't even think St. Mary's made it last year). That's not East-Coast bias, that's just a fact.
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Post by mweir145 on Oct 22, 2006 21:56:52 GMT -7
Its a good division because you watch the games? Compare it to the ACC or the Big East. Pacers your just freakin stupid. Compare it to some dickwad East conferences that are highly overated foo'. Pac 10 is comparible to the ones you mentioned.Arizona eh' Maze Which Eastern conferences are overrated? Certainly you're not referring to the ACC or the Big East? As for the Pac 10, well they always have some solid teams in that conference.
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Post by Pacer Pride on Oct 22, 2006 22:10:11 GMT -7
Its a good division because you watch the games? Compare it to the ACC or the Big East. Pacers your just freakin stupid. The West Coast league (where Gonzaga plays) has been one of the weakest leagues for the past few years. Outside of the Zags, they didn't even have another team make the tournament (I don't even think St. Mary's made it last year). That's not East-Coast bias, that's just a fact. S.D. ST. made it .Terroist threat before their opening game.FACT. West Coast Conference is not a big 4 conference you douche.Compare it to school's/conference's their size and they destroy them.
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Post by mweir145 on Oct 22, 2006 22:17:48 GMT -7
The West Coast league (where Gonzaga plays) has been one of the weakest leagues for the past few years. Outside of the Zags, they didn't even have another team make the tournament (I don't even think St. Mary's made it last year). That's not East-Coast bias, that's just a fact. S.D. ST. made it .Terroist threat before their opening game.FACT. West Coast Conference is not a big 4 conference you douche.Compare it to school's/conference's their size and they destroy them.San Diego State plays in the Mountain West Conference, you DOLT (if we're using name calling now to express ourselves ;D). And Gonzaga's conference is garbage, just face the facts. Who cares about their size, it comes down to how good the teams in it are. The level of play compared to the ACC conference is way, way down.
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Post by Pacer Pride on Oct 23, 2006 13:17:29 GMT -7
S.D. ST. made it .Terroist threat before their opening game.FACT. West Coast Conference is not a big 4 conference you douche.Compare it to school's/conference's their size and they destroy them. San Diego State plays in the Mountain West Conference, you DOLT (if we're using name calling now to express ourselves ;D). And Gonzaga's conference is garbage, just face the facts. Who cares about their size, it comes down to how good the teams in it are. The level of play compared to the ACC conference is way, way down. Gonzaga can beat those top schools.The East really hates on Gonzaga(they have their critics every yr. so you know Maze).People like Lamer have man crushes on Duke/Reddick who are highly overated. Morrison is a better player and Zags would have taken out Duke if they played them.Keegs knows UCLA got lucky.They were getting ownnnnneeeeeddddd Their conference size should/will not be compared to TOP conferences who have larger capacity of students enrolled. Zags can beat anyone though because they are giant killers.
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Post by The Squeeze! on Oct 23, 2006 13:17:57 GMT -7
I think for my comparison I will dig into the annals of the Bucks. I think in my opinion that Morrison could turn out into a Glenn Robinson type player for CHA. Wallace is the real catalyst on that team. CHA has some stoppers (Okafur, Knight, Wallace) they need scoring and as long as Morrison plays a bit of D when it really matters I would be willing to bet thats his role on CHA. Robinson put up 21pt 5reb 2ast garbage for stl/blk but he could jump shoot the lights out and hit big 3s. Robinson never played a lick of D and that is why the Bucks were jump shot fiends who scored 100pt regularly because with him Cassell and Allen who played D?
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Post by thefranchise on Oct 23, 2006 13:35:30 GMT -7
San Diego State plays in the Mountain West Conference, you DOLT (if we're using name calling now to express ourselves ;D). And Gonzaga's conference is garbage, just face the facts. Who cares about their size, it comes down to how good the teams in it are. The level of play compared to the ACC conference is way, way down. Gonzaga can beat those top schools.The East really hates on Gonzaga(they have their critics every yr. so you know Maze).People like Lamer have man crushes on Duke/Reddick who are highly overated. Morrison is a better player and Zags would have taken out Duke if they played them.Keegs knows UCLA got lucky.They were getting ownnnnneeeeeddddd Their conference size should/will not be compared to TOP conferences who have larger capacity of students enrolled. Zags can beat anyone though because they are giant killers.Pride there is a reason Gonzaga finishes with a good record and up on the rankings every year. But suck in March Madness. They play easy games vs their division. Its that simple.
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Post by Pacer Pride on Oct 23, 2006 15:16:05 GMT -7
Gonzaga can beat those top schools.The East really hates on Gonzaga(they have their critics every yr. so you know Maze).People like Lamer have man crushes on Duke/Reddick who are highly overated. Morrison is a better player and Zags would have taken out Duke if they played them.Keegs knows UCLA got lucky.They were getting ownnnnneeeeeddddd Their conference size should/will not be compared to TOP conferences who have larger capacity of students enrolled. Zags can beat anyone though because they are giant killers. Pride there is a reason Gonzaga finishes with a good record and up on the rankings every year. But suck in March Madness. They play easy games vs their division. Its that simple. Plenty of teams in the East "suck" in the tourny.Cincinnati is one that comes to mind quite easily.Oklahoma another past few seasons.Texas chokes with TOP ranking as well Tenn. I do not recall Zags " sucking" last yr. (maybe choking) but so be it
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Post by mweir145 on Oct 23, 2006 15:26:47 GMT -7
San Diego State plays in the Mountain West Conference, you DOLT (if we're using name calling now to express ourselves ;D). And Gonzaga's conference is garbage, just face the facts. Who cares about their size, it comes down to how good the teams in it are. The level of play compared to the ACC conference is way, way down. Gonzaga can beat those top schools.The East really hates on Gonzaga(they have their critics every yr. so you know Maze).People like Lamer have man crushes on Duke/Reddick who are highly overated. Morrison is a better player and Zags would have taken out Duke if they played them.Keegs knows UCLA got lucky.They were getting ownnnnneeeeeddddd Their conference size should/will not be compared to TOP conferences who have larger capacity of students enrolled. Zags can beat anyone though because they are giant killers.The East doesn't hate on Gonzaga, nobody does. They just aren't' biased fools that can't see that the Zags play garbage competition all year and just beat up terrible teams. And I have man crushes on Duke and JJ Reddick? I hate Duke and JJ Reddick. And clearly Gonzaga can't beat everyone, they've never won the NCAA tournament. Face it, the Zags are a decent team by national standards that play in a terrible conference.
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Post by mweir145 on Oct 23, 2006 15:29:18 GMT -7
Pride there is a reason Gonzaga finishes with a good record and up on the rankings every year. But suck in March Madness. They play easy games vs their division. Its that simple. Plenty of teams in the East "suck" in the tourny.Cincinnati is one that comes to mind quite easily.Oklahoma another past few seasons.Texas chokes with TOP ranking as well Tenn. I do not recall Zags " sucking" last yr. (maybe choking) but so be it Texas and Oklahoma play in the Big 12, numnuts. Neither of them have any affiliation with the East.
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Post by thefranchise on Oct 23, 2006 20:52:42 GMT -7
Gonzaga can beat those top schools.The East really hates on Gonzaga(they have their critics every yr. so you know Maze).People like Lamer have man crushes on Duke/Reddick who are highly overated. Morrison is a better player and Zags would have taken out Duke if they played them.Keegs knows UCLA got lucky.They were getting ownnnnneeeeeddddd Their conference size should/will not be compared to TOP conferences who have larger capacity of students enrolled. Zags can beat anyone though because they are giant killers. The East doesn't hate on Gonzaga, nobody does. They just aren't' biased fools that can't see that the Zags play garbage competition all year and just beat up terrible teams. And I have man crushes on Duke and JJ Reddick? I hate Duke and JJ Reddick. And clearly Gonzaga can't beat everyone, they've never won the NCAA tournament. Face it, the Zags are a decent team by national standards that play in a terrible conference. Zags have never even made a final four appearance.
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Post by Pacer Pride on Oct 23, 2006 20:54:03 GMT -7
Plenty of teams in the East "suck" in the tourny.Cincinnati is one that comes to mind quite easily.Oklahoma another past few seasons.Texas chokes with TOP ranking as well Tenn. I do not recall Zags " sucking" last yr. (maybe choking) but so be it Texas and Oklahoma play in the Big 12, numnuts. Neither of them have any affiliation with the East. Eastern teams was my point blue balls. Zags are above avg. team . I resent the "decent"
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Post by mweir145 on Oct 23, 2006 23:41:34 GMT -7
Texas and Oklahoma play in the Big 12, numnuts. Neither of them have any affiliation with the East. Eastern teams was my point blue balls. Zags are above avg. team . I resent the "decent" If your point was about Eastern teams, then why were you just talking about Texas and Oklahoma, two states pretty far south in the U.S? That was my point.
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Post by Pacer Pride on Oct 24, 2006 15:36:02 GMT -7
Eastern teams was my point blue balls. Zags are above avg. team . I resent the "decent" If your point was about Eastern teams, then why were you just talking about Texas and Oklahoma, two states pretty far south in the U.S? That was my point. SOUTHEASTERN ,if you want to be technical Some of those teams I was referring to as choke artists come tourny time.
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Post by kramedawgz22 on Oct 24, 2006 15:59:56 GMT -7
If your point was about Eastern teams, then why were you just talking about Texas and Oklahoma, two states pretty far south in the U.S? That was my point. SOUTHEASTERN ,if you want to be technical Some of those teams I was referring to as choke artists come tourny time.Not to burst your bubble, but Texas is considered Southwest, and Oklahoma is in the 'breadbasket,' and is probably considered Midwest. Eastern teams are in the ACC, Big East, etc
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Post by mweir145 on Oct 24, 2006 21:24:56 GMT -7
If your point was about Eastern teams, then why were you just talking about Texas and Oklahoma, two states pretty far south in the U.S? That was my point. SOUTHEASTERN ,if you want to be technical Some of those teams I was referring to as choke artists come tourny time.Texas and Oklahoma have absolutely no association with the east at all. Go read a map.
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Post by Pacer Pride on Oct 24, 2006 22:07:18 GMT -7
Texas and Okla. south.I don't care what you argue after that YOu guys missed the whole point of it all
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